An interesting debate has sprung up on the BNP election thread, And the winner is ....  I’ve moved the relavent comments here at the request of one of our esteemed commenters.

The debate was/is a response to the notion that the existential threat all European peoples face in the West today is completely new in historical terms, and calls forth new restorative ideas.  In an intellectually free and creative age ... an age not labouring under the weight of the 20th century ... radical thinkers would respond with towering expositions of the European life.  The existential threat would be countered with a flood of vivifying ideologies tailored to the times, and the best and most inspiring of them to all times.

The 20th century fascist ideologies would be properly understood as vigorous but really quite narrow responses to the threats of their time, enlivened in the case of the German model by some rough and ready social darwinism.  They would not be seen as a solution for all times, or for ours.  For now, the revolutionary wave which fascism resisted has washed over us, and the sickly decadence which National Socialism bled out of German society has penetrated us.  Those lines have been breached, and the battle has been carried forward to the final redoubt of our very existence.  A few decades from now we shall be on the Westwall and in Berlin.  We shall be on Senlac Field, and in Stalingrad ... everywhere that men have known their very being is on the line.

It is the clarification of that first verb “to be” which matters now.  Our people must know what it means to be “us” - as a part of subsistent Nature, as men and as Europeans.  They must know what is and is not true of us and in us, and they must know we have the right “to be” ... the right to live sovereign and free, and the right to live with ourselves and with no others, if that is what we choose.

That is my prescription.  It has, so far as I am aware, not been expounded in the past, probably because no man ever thought that we Europeans would ever find ourselves where we are today.  But here we are, nonetheless, and we have no time - none at all - to waste on philosophical distractions which answer the wrong question.

Below the fold are the comments from the “winner” thread.  I hope I’ve not left out any substantive ones.

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by David Hamilton

Often, in doing my research for an article like this, I find it is almost impossible to believe what I am reading.  I am reminded that we are fortunate.  We have attained a perceptive grasp and know how to read between the lines.  But if you talk to the average punter in the pub, in the shops or on the bus, you will find that they know little about what is really going on.  They just know what they have been told by the media.

There is an awakening going on, very gradually.  But the media are still dictating opinion for the mass of people in the soggy centre.  The control is very great.

Everyone talks of the gutter press, and of their lies and deceit.  But people still form their opinions on what the press tells them.  The propagandist nature of that is apparent in the dumbing-down that we see in the coverage of politics and areas that the elites want to control, while the analysis on the sports pages of, say, football tactics, or analysis of football managers and their styles, is thoughtful, informative stuff.  It assumes a great deal of both the intelligence and knowledge of the reader.  The political coverage, however, treats him as an empty vessel to be filled with filled with foreign thoughts.

How do the establishment and their media deal with people who form their own conclusions from life, and see through the lies told by the media?  They ignore our perceptions and argue to the man.  They insult the speaker. Why don’t they calmly and reasonably explain why we are wrong?  Because our views are natural and traditional and instinctive.  They cannot face what they also think deep down, so they project on to us.  Those in charge, the “caste”, are the same as us deep down but don’t have to express it because they have good lives in nice areas and exclusive jobs; underneath, they have the same instincts as us and, though cushioned, feel the same shocks.  What they do when they feel unease sneaking in is to repress the doubt, and when dark thoughts bubble to the surface they force them to the back of their minds.  This tension is barely perceived as it is projected on to us.  They see what they cannot face in us, and that is why they never give a reasoned explanation to us.  All the press hate the BNP with a passion.  When I read their hate I look for sensible points in case there is a real expose, but it is always lies.

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by Donald Miller

The collapse of the Obama spending machine has a long way to go yet, especially with regard to pilfering the earnings and savings of European Americans. There are many ways Obama & Bernanke can confiscate your income and wealth to establish a multiracial nation.

GREAT GOLD CONFISCATION

To understand some of this, it may be necessary for you to review the history of the great gold confiscation of 1933:

The Gold Confiscation Of April 5, 1933
From: President of the United States Franklin Delano Roosevelt
To: The United States Congress
Dated: 5 April, 1933
Presidential Executive Order 6102

Forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion and Gold Certificates By virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 5(b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended by Section 2 of the Act of March 9, 1933, entitled

An Act to provide relief in the existing national emergency in banking, and for other purposes~’,

in which amendatory Act Congress declared that a serious emergency exists,

I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do declare that said national emergency still continues to exist and pursuant to said section to do hereby prohibit the hoarding gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States by individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations and hereby prescribe the following regulations for carrying out the purposes of the order:

Section 1. For the purpose of this regulation, the term ‘hoarding” means the withdrawal and withholding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates from the recognized and customary channels of trade. The term “person” means any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933, except the following ...

RAPID INFLATION NOT SUITABLE

There are fundamentally only three ways to repay the Obama-Bernanke indebtedness—I disregard massive inflation because it would take too long to be effective and, if it happened too quickly, we’d begin to understand the Weimar Republic (1919-1933) really well and up close:

The Weimar Republic had some of the most serious economic problems ever experienced by any Western democracy in history. Rampant hyperinflation, massive unemployment and a large drop in living standards were primary factors. In 1923–1929 there was a short period of economic recovery, but the Great Depression of the 1930s led to a worldwide recession. Germany was particularly affected because it depended heavily on American loans. In 1926, about 2 million Germans were unemployed - this rose to around 6 million in 1932. Many blamed the Weimar Republic. This was made apparent when political parties on both right and left wanting to disband the Republic altogether made any democratic majority in Parliament impossible.

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What does this mean for white nationalism?

My thanks to Bo Sears for the link to this Washington Times piece, Al Qaeda eyes bio attack from Mexico.

Last October, Bo picked up on Joe Biden’s warning of a nation-shaking event.  Now we get one from “U.S. counterterrorism officials” who have:

authenticated a video by an al Qaeda recruiter threatening to smuggle a biological weapon into the United States via tunnels under the Mexico border, the latest sign of the terrorist group’s determination to stage another mass-casualty attack on the U.S. homeland.

The video aired earlier this year as a recruitment tool makes clear that al Qaeda is looking to exploit weaknesses in U.S. border security and also is willing to ally itself with white militia groups or other anti-government entities interested in carrying out an attack inside the United States, according to counterterrorism officials interviewed by The Washington Times.

The officials, who spoke only on the condition they not be named because of the sensitive nature of their work, stressed that there is no credible information that al Qaeda has acquired the capabilities to carry out a mass biological attack although its members have clearly sought the expertise.

The video first aired by the Arabic news network Al Jazeera in February and later posted to several Web sites shows Kuwaiti dissident Abdullah al-Nafisi telling a room full of supporters in Bahrain that al Qaeda is casing the U.S. border with Mexico to assess how to send terrorists and weapons into the U.S.

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So in Britain it was election day.  Has the world changed?  That’s the question.  Have these European elections signalled a new phase in the development of the BNP, and for the rights of native Britons to their own land?

Well, we shall know all over the next three days, starting with the results of the local authority elections tomorrow morning.

This campaign certainly has been a unique episode in British politics.  By midnight last night, most of the media had stood down from operations against the BNP.  Almost.  Even The Times’ Fiona Hamilton had found another way to make the MultiCult a better and browner place.  Among the party’s campaigners all was anticipation, and a quiet satisfaction that everything that could be done was done.

The only discordant note was sounded by our wonderfully cultured Culture Minister, David Lammy - a man who was in no way chosen for his very important post because of the colour of his skin.  He managed to get his BNP-mugging done at 3.30pm this afternoon.  “Vote to keep out the BNP threat” it said.  Apparently, it’s not enough for Mr Lammy just to keep out the BNP.  That “threat” has to be kept out too, you know.  Don’t worry, though, because nobody pays a blind bit of attention to this entirely pointless person.

That said, Mr Lammy will probably be kept around in Alan Johnson’s new cabinet of superdiversity, given that Gordon’s departure has been guaranteed by the shock news this evening of another ministerial resignation.

As I said, a completely unique episode in British politics.

The result of it all will appear in the form of updates to this post.

And yes my wife and I voted for the BNP in the Europeans.  But we had to vote for Cameron’s crowd in the locals.